Thursday, January 8, 2009

Bern Brent makes a point

Below is a copy of an email sent to me by Mr Bern Brent of Canberra. Mr Brent is a former internee of Tatura Camp and, to the best of my knowledge, a "Dunera Boy". Mr Brent makes some interesting points and, because of their value to the historical context, I have included them here.


Please note that readers are invited to add comments at the bottom of each page. All contributions are welcome, particularly if they contribute to the store of knowledge on this subject.








Hi Laurie,

The two Hay lists are interesting because in the Dunera literature incorporating many Dunera myths, one speaks almost invariably of Jewish people. In so far as among the Germans and Austrians interned in the UK in May-June 1940 and eventually sent to Australia on the Dunera, most were Jewish, that would be correct.

That there were a number of non-Jewish people who received a B and C classification at the beginning of the war (those who received an 'A' were interned at the beginning of the war) is well known. However, nobody knows what was the proportiopn of non-Jewish people among the Dunera 'anti-nazi' internees. The lists
provide a clue for researchers of whom Professor Kwiet is, I think, one.

We know how many people were in each of the two Hay camps. Here we have lists of people who were not Jewish. What I would like you to add to the list was the fact, mentioned on top in each instance, that the two lists are of Christians who are NOT Catholics and NOT C.of E. My point is that we had a good number of Austrians in the camp and of course many southern Germans are Catholic. I have yet to come across an Austrian who is Protestant.


Also, for researchers, my experience in Tatura camp 3 (I was not in Hay) could be mentioned. When the three ministers of the cloth came and asked for lists, not more than two thirds bothered to have their names added to such a list. As a result of which our camp poet wrote 'Sei Fromm' (Be Pious) for all those, Jewish, Protestant and Catholic, people who had not volunteered their names did NOT receive the goodies which arrived in camp from the various congregations (clothes, food, books, etc.).

Among the researchers for whom your website is usful, most would be German speakers. If you think it makes sense, I will pass on to you Oswald Volkmnann's little ditty as mentioned above.

Thank you for making the material available on the internet.

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Sunday, December 21, 2008

Alcorn Collection - Hay Internment Camp Artifacts

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This link should direct you to images of the Alcorn Hay Internment Camp Collection that do not yet appear on this blog. If difficulty is experienced please email me at lauriefavelle1@bigpond.com

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Friday, December 19, 2008


Transcript for interpretation purposes – prepared 15 December 2008 by Laurie Favelle

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Letter from Dr. Richard Ullmann to Eckart Heilpern

Friends Post War Service Committee,
Friends House, Euston Road,
London N.W., 1. 20th January, 1943.

Dear Eckart Heilpern,

After all I have the opportunity of writing to you as a free man. The 8th inst. I have been released, after another enervating three months on the Isle of Man. I had hoped that I were free at Christmas, but it didn't come true. I've taken up work as a tutor with the above Committee, which is preparing all kinds of relief work on the European Continent as quickly as possible after the Armistice. My special task is to make the young workers acquanted with the psychological and historical background, give them a lead in their language studies, etc. As you see, a very intersting and very idealistic work on Christian fundamentals. There are many political and spitiual issues to be considered, and my own experience in various countries as well as my experience as both subject and object of relief work come in very usefully. The only drawback of my being free is the interruption of my correspondence with my wife, from whom I had quite regularly long letters about all things of personal interest for me. Unfortunately part of the information was very depressing: my brother Franz was deported in June, my aunt----? I think in September together with E.W.L and her husband etc. My wife herself helped them and worked with them to the last, though I think it was quite risky to do that, to visit my brother once a week etc.

She had had her own troubles too: my eldest girl, though very talented in many respects, has had to leave school at 14! My wife is teaching her all alone now except maths and piano, doing with her even Greek, reading Shakespeare in English and Corneille in French, not neglecting all practical things such as cooking, tailoring, gardening, gyms, etc. It is rather a co-operation than teaching, and my wife finds in it extreme satisfaction and happiness. The children sent me for Christmas very nice “Krippenfigure” in paper, which they had designed, painted and cut out. Those of the older one are really artistic, exactly as her sewing kit for me which she has made without any help or advice. She is very musical too, the younger plays the violin and my wife has started at playing the 'cello to accomplish the Trio. The elder one writes sonnet-cycles, the younger one fairy-tales which have won prizes at school; but her spelling is dreadful!

But enough about the children. I wonder whether you received my letter of November 17th and my Christmas card of December 12th. I hope that all of you are well and that you are having good news from your brother in Switzerland. I don't see much chance for him to get out from there now if he hasn't managed it in time; but I see less danger every day that that country will be drawn into the war. Are you still in your former work? I don't think that the Australian man-power problem will affect you very much, as you are very much needed in your occupation. How is your mother? I've seen her only once in 1937, and before that only when I was a child of say 10. But I've kept her in good memory; I sometimes one's sympathies are hereditary and I've inherited this predilection for her from my own mother. I've trying to find your grandmother's address, to drop her a few lines. I know she is at Westwood Ho, but I don't know where, I think she is rather advanced in the eighties now, isn't she?

Should you meet Dr. Morris or Miss Gladys Armstrong, please remember me to them and tell them about my new job, they certainly will be interested in it. You don't know Rev. Alcorn, or do you? Remember me to him, too. It is a pity we never have managed to meet. But as the world is becoming smaller every day, one never knows what possibilities of personal acquantance will be opened. Queer enough that we have not met; while writing this letter I feel as if I had had lots of talks with you.

All my best wishes to you and your parents, and let us hope that war and oppression will be over soon.

Yours sincerely,
Richard Ullmann.

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Letter from Dr Richard Ullmann to Eckart Heilpern


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Thursday, December 18, 2008

Letter from Eric & Bruno Lipmann to Rev. Alcorn 1944




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Saturday, December 13, 2008

Rev. Alcorn's Autograph Book - Hay Camp 1941 - Part 6




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Rev. Alcorn's Autograph Book - Hay Camp 1941 - Part 2




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Rev. Alcorn's Autograph Book - Hay Camp 1941 - Part 1

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Hay Internment Camp - Camp 8 Christian Internees 1941- Images of Original Documents



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Hay Internment Camp - Camp 8 Christian Internees 1941 - Alphabetical Transcript from original document

Aberbach, Theodor - Old Catholic - hut 19
Ahrend, Gerhard - Church of En. - hut 30
Alexander, Heinz - Protestant - hut 3
Altschul, Franz - Christ. Commun. - hut 15
Baelz, Robert - Christian, no denomination - hut 16
Behrens, Bernhard - Christian, no denomination - hut 16
Bergfeld, Hans - Lutheran - hut 4
Boehm, Ralph - C of E - hut 8
Bruehl, Hans - Protestant - hut 18
Cahn, Franz - Unitarian - hut 25
Callomon, Walter - Protestant - hut 2
Cossmann, Gerhard - C of E - hut35
Czarnikow, Horst - Protestant - hut 1
Dannenberg, Alfred - Protestant - hut 21
Defieber, Oskar - Calvinist - hut 21
Doring, Paul - Protestant - hut 32
Dschenffzig, Peter - Methodist - hut 11
Eckes, Frank - Protestant - hut 21
Eirich, Friedrich - Protestant - hut 23
Eisenberg, Adolf - Protestant - hut 31
Eisig, Konrad T - Protestant - hut 2
Erdoes, Erich - C of E - hut 14
Feder, Hans Werner - Presbiterian - hut 22
Fischer, E - Old Catholic - hut 18
Fischl, Eugen - Protestant - hut 13
Friedenheim, Curt - Protestant - hut 1
Fruend, Heinrich - Lutheran - hut 32
Fuchs - hut 8
Goldmann, Bernhard - Baptist - hut 18
Graupner, Felix - Protestant - hut 32
Gurland, Hans Heinrich - Lutheran - hut 4
Hamburger, Ulrich W - Lutheran - hut 31
Heidorn, Wilhelm - Protestant - hut 21
Hemer, Nicolaus - Protestant - hut 27
Hirschfeld, Ludwig - Protestant - hut 13
Huppert, Peter - C of E - hut 27
Jacobson, Dr Erwin - Protestant - hut 23
Kerner, Erich - C of E - hut 21
Kessler, Alfred - Protestant - hut 17
Koblitz, Fritz - Protestant - hut 1
Koch, Walter - Protestant - hut 2
Krantz, Bruno - Protestant - hut 21
Krause, Ernst Adolf - Protestant - hut 2
Landauer, Alfred - Presbiterian - hut 21
Lehmann, Peter Dietrich - Protestant - hut 25
Lewinsky, Max - Protestant - hut 23
Lindau, Hans - Protestant - hut 16
Lindheimer, Paul Peter - C of E - hut 36 - (possible AKA Land or Landheimer)
Marcus, Hans Wilhelm - C of E - hut 2
Markus, Dr Max - Presbiterian - hospital
Marx, Karl - C of E - hut 10
Marx, Otto - Presbiterian - hut 35
Mayer, Kurt - Protestant - hut 1
Muehlich, Georg - C of E - hut 17
Muenz, Kurt - C of E - hut 29
Mugdan, Robert - Protestant - hut 35
Nadel, Georg - C of E - hut13
Nell, Gerhard - Lutheran - hut 31
Nissels, Walter - Protestant - hut 22
Oliver, L. R. - C of E - hut 10
Oppenheim, Hans Otto - Society of Friends - hut 19
Rathgeber, Ernst - Christ. Commun. - hut 12
Rechnitz, Wilhelm - C of E - hut 15
Reiners, Wilfrid - Protestant - hut 12
Reisner, Alexander - Christ. Science - hut 30
Riefenstahl, - Presbiterian - hut 23
Rieser, Ralf - C of E - hut 10
Rittermann, Michael - Methodist - hut 19
Rosinsky, Charles - Protestant - hut 11
Schlosser, Hans - Lutheran - hut 35
Schreuer, Rudolf - Lutheran - hut 36
Schreuer, Walter - Lutheran - hut 36
Suessmann, Alfred - Protestant - hut 21
Tisch, Wilhelm - Protestant - hut 21
Ullmann, Richard - Protestant - hut 2
Waldsax, Dr Reinhard - Presbiterian - hospital
Weinwurm, Max - Old Catholic - hut 20
Wohlfeld, Dr Heinrich - Protestant - hut 23

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Hay Camp 7, February 8 1941. List of Christian Internees - Alphabetical Transcript from original document

  1. Altmann, Guenter -Farmer -hut 24
  2. Altmann, Paul - Electrical Engineer B.Sc. - hut 36
  3. Arnstein, Hans - Engineer - hut 36
  4. Baerwald, Werner - Musician - hut36
  5. Bamberger, Wilhelm - Coach Body builder - hut 2
  6. Beer, Franz - Mechanical Engineer - hut 36
  7. Behrendt, Dr. Felix - Mathametician Actuary - hut 36 - Released
  8. Berg, Robert - Student of Philology - hut 36
  9. Berg, Fritz - Engineer - hut 36
  10. Berlin, Paul - Farmer - hut 16
  11. Bernstein, Heinrich - Journalist - hut 2
  12. Borinski, Dr. Fritz - Lecturer of Political & Social Science - hut 31
  13. Boschwitz, Ullrich - Author - hut 36
  14. Brandeis, Juergen - Student - hut 32
  15. Bukowitz, Stefan - Fur & Skin Merchant - hut 24
  16. Carlebach, Peter - Methodist - hut 29
  17. Clusmann, G H - Sculptor - hut 25
  18. Erlanger, Franz - Clerk - hut 27
  19. Ewald, Arnold - Student of Natural Science - hut 22
  20. Federer, Heinz - Plumber's Apprentice - hut 33
  21. Federn, Ilmari - Philologist - hut 36
  22. Friedheim, Heinrich - Commercial Student - hut 27
  23. Furth, Richard - Woollen Manufacturer - hut 35
  24. Gernsheim, Helmut - Photographer FRPS - hut 23
  25. Goldschmidt, Dr. Hans E - Publisher - hut 35
  26. Grieshaber, Julius - Asphalter - hut 16
  27. Grieshaber, Adolf - Paint Sprayer - hut 16
  28. Guttmann, Carl - Engineering Draughtsman - hut 33
  29. Hager, Gustav - Electrical Engineering - hut 35
  30. Hamburger, Gerhard - Radio Engineer - hut 36
  31. Heckroth, Hein - Painter - hut 25
  32. Heilner, Wolfgang - Electrical Engineer - hut 21
  33. Herz , Alec - Student of History & Slavonic- hut 29 - Released ?
  34. Hoffmann, Herbert - Book Seller - hut 2
  35. Horn, Peter - Engineer's Trainee - hut 8 - Released
  36. Jaskulewicz, Gerhard Medical Student - hut 28
  37. Karbasch, Rudolf Henry - Toolmaker's Apprentice - hut 28
  38. Katz, Werner - Composer & Musician - hut 18
  39. Koenigsberger, Peter - Solicitor's Articled Clerk - hut 20
  40. Koenigsberger-Maassen, Rolf - Commercial Artist - hut 21
  41. Koestenmann, Robert - Farm Student - hut 17 - Released
  42. Kollar, Rolff - Student of Medicine/Farmer (cowman) - hut 12
  43. Kuehlenthal, Heinz - Clerk - hut 24
  44. Ladewig, Dr. Paul E - Export correspondent - hut 35
  45. Lanczi, Edward - Student of Natural Science - hut 15
  46. Lehner, Peter - Petroleum Geologist/B.Sc. A.R.S.M. - hut 26
  47. Lipmann, Erich - Export Merchant - hut 35
  48. Lipmann, Bruno - Export Merchant - hut 35
  49. Loewenstein, Fritz - Student of Mechanical Engineering - hut 22
  50. Margulies, Heinz - Pharmaceutic Process Worker - hut 28
  51. Mayer, Otto Hans - Clerk - hut 24
  52. Mayer, Edfrred - Actor & Writer - hut 26
  53. Meyer, Hans Joachim - Optical Machanician/Farm Student - hut 25
  54. Meyer, Friedrich - Student of Economics - hut 35 - Released
  55. Mysa, Ludwig Carl - Secretary - hut 24
  56. Nauen, Hans - Merchant - hut 19
  57. Neufeld, Rudolf - Artist - hut 24
  58. Ostberg, Kurt - Student of Modern Languages - hut 23
  59. Preminger, Franz - Student of Mechanical Engineering - hut 27
  60. Reich, Hans - Tool Maker - hut 27
  61. Ries, Eduard - hut 17
  62. Rink, Arnold - Student - hut 33
  63. Robinow, Herman - Bank Clerk - hut 32
  64. Rothfels, Dr Kurt - Judge - hut 24
  65. Rubens, Dr. Heinz - Agriculturist - hut 28
  66. Ruh, Anton - Stone Printer & Welder - hut 2
  67. Ruppin, Gerhard - Machine Fitter - hut 29
  68. Schaedlich, Kurt - Teacher of Modern Languages - hut 20
  69. Schick, Ernst - Plumber & Electrician - hut 33
  70. Schmidt, Gerhard - Student of Chemistry - hut 36 - Released
  71. Schneider, Ulrich - Laboritory Assistant - hut 32
  72. Schoenlicht, Max Martin - Agent (Motor Cars) - hut 29
  73. Schwabach, Dorian Erik - Bank Clerk - hut 29
  74. Schwabe, Wolfgang - Bank Clerk - hut 20
  75. Skaller, Friedrich - Instructor of Agriculture - hut 28
  76. Someruga, Lorenz - Chemist / Presbyterian - hut 33 - (orig. typed as "v. Someruga")
  77. Sommerfeld, Kurt (?) - Farm Worker - hut 28
  78. Stadlen, Peter - Pianist - hut 36 - Released
  79. Stadlen, Erich - Social Worker - hut 36 - Released
  80. Stuebs, Alwin - Author - hut 25
  81. Teltscher, George - Free Lance Artist - hut 26
  82. Weber, Jan - Solictor's Articled Clerk LL.B - hut 26
  83. Weiss, Erich - Intrument Maker - hut 36
  84. Weisz, Peter - Shipping Clerk - hut 24
  85. Wundsch, Harro - Surveyor's Assistant - hut 28
  86. Wurmser, Alfred - Electrical Engineering/Artist/Draughtsman - hut 34
  87. Zeitz, Wolfgang - Chemical Assistant - hut 32
  88. Zinn, Siegfried - Electrical Engineer - hut 24

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Sunday, November 30, 2008

A Walk Through The Rain

Alcorn brothers, Sidney & Franklin(white hat)
early 1950's
Franklin's daughter, Joyce, continues her story:

"Dadda had quite a lot of work to do for the Council of Churches, which position he held for nine years. As secretary of the Council he was the first protestant clergyman to dialogue with a Catholic Archbishop. This was a most newsworthy happening. The wheels of change grind slowly, we know, after someone starts moving the cogs. Just sixty years, almost to the day, after that meeting, the Roman Catholics joined the World Council of Churches.

Also as secretary of the Council, Dadda was on the board of Rradio station 2CH which closed each night with a Christian epilogue. Many of the clergy filled that roll as did Dadda, who also had to fill in unexpectedly. Once again he came home on a midnight train with no bus running to take him that extra mile.

Though I tend to think of Dadda now as being perfect, he really wasn't quite so. He did tend to enjoy teasing people with his tall tales and he was an absolute terror for leaving anything he was carrying - umbrellas, books, parcels and brief cases - in trains and buses. On arriving home there would be much scurrying to the telephone to try to stop the articles before they had been taken to Lost Property. The railway and bus conductors, being well settled in their jobs for years, did their best to hold Dadda's lost property at Rockdale. He'd tell the tale against himself that once he left Frankie, as a baby, on a shop counter. A tall tale?

He did get into serious trouble the day he arrived home minus his overcoat. He'd given it to a poor chap who was very cold. That type of action seemed to poor Mumma to be carrying Christianity a little to far. She worked very hard keeping us all impecably dressed. She sewed, she repaired, she dry cleaned, she turned collars and cuffs and old clothes into new. Parson's stipends were very low and if enough coins didn't get into the collection plates on any given Sunday, so bet it, my parents just had to make do.

The Hurstville Church of Christ was Dadda's next call after nine years at Rockdale. We didn't have to move house, he simply caught the same bus to Church, but travelled in the opposite direction. Very convenient, except that the travelling time was twice as long, if not longer. Both Frankie and I were married in the Hurstville Church.

Dadda joined the army in 1941 as a Chaplain. He performed Frankie's marriage whilst in uniform. However, although he had retired from the army before I was married and was without a parish at that time, he was granted permission to conduct my marriage at the Hurstville church.

The army years were a big step up for my parents financially. They were able to save some money so eventually bought the house in Harrow Rd, Bexley, which had been their home for many years and in which many couples had been quietly married.

Dadda's first assignment was to the Internment Camp at Hay, NSW (see links below - LF). We know he gave much comfort and love to the men there as we have a collection of poems, stories and paintings of gratitude (see future posts - LF). He continued to correspond with the friends he had made at the camp after they had returned to Britain or Europe. He learnt much from those men as he heard their stories of imprisonment and loss.

When Dadda came out of the Army there seemed to be no Church of Christ available to him, certainly none was offerred. My parents never discussed the reason for this with me, but I know there was disappointment.

In need of work, Dadda took a public relations job with "Hammondville", a Christian village being built for the needy and elderly. When his role there was finished he became a social worker and lay preacher for a Presbyterian church in the inner city of Sydney.

My father and mother both put their hearts into working for the less fortunate, who always had a special appeal for them. The work could often be very frustrating though. They would fit folk out in decent clothing so they could apply for a job, or attend a funeral and so on, only to hear a week later that father, brother or uncle had sold the clothes to buy beer, even at times prawns to accompany the beer.

Feeling the need to have his own flock again and still no parish being offered by the Church of Christ, Dadda went through the necessary procedures to become a minister with the Congregational Church.

Dadda believed that, as a Christian minister, he should live as Christ, putting others first, doing without himself to give to those in need, no matter what race or religion they belonged to. I felt, though he never expressed his feelings to me, that he wasn't his happiest away from the Church of Christ with its emphasis on evangelism and full immersion baptism. He must have gained peace in his disappointment, though, as when he died in 1958, the nurse who attended him told us she had never seen anyone die so at peace with God and man.

There were many dramas throughout Dadda's ministry, some our own but mostly those of other folk. We had very happy times together as a family, Christmas and birthdays always very special without a lot of money being spent. Holidays up the Woronora River in a shack belonging to one of the parishoners was always very relaxing. None of us minded the earth floor, the hessian which separated the rooms or the two mile row for provisions. Rowing lessons for Frankie and I never forgotten! There Dadda taught us to swim overarm, as it was called, and Mumma showed us her favourite style, breast stroke, strokes that no doubt saved their lives during a sailing disaster in Bunbury WA, during a conference outing. Visitors from the Anne St Church, along with those from the Alcorn family - Sid, Elsie, Norma and cousins Percy and Len - are well remebered as very happy events, a joy to all.

Some people walk through the rain. Others just get wet. Franklin and Lily Alcorn walked.



Suggested links for further reading

http://www.naa.gov.au/whats-on/online/feature-exhibits/internment-camps/WWII/hay.aspx
http://www.naa.gov.au/whats-on/online/feature-exhibits/internment-camps/index.aspx
http://www.migrationheritage.nsw.gov.au/exhibition/objectsthroughtime/dunera/
http://www.ujc.org/page.aspx?id=47322
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunera
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rodney_%22Gypsy%22_Smith
http://www.adb.online.anu.edu.au/biogs/A130704b.htm
























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